hi all.. want to know the ages of everyone.
i will start with mine.
51; "ouch"!.
"26 yesterday. Simon informs me that he is going to trade me in for a younger model"
Ah, I'll take you any time, Ang. Just say the word!
Sam Beli
I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon
today at the store i ran into an old friend i grew up with.
we were both jw kids.
we both rebelled at the same time.
Pam, will you be making a "back-call" on your friend?
Sam Beli
I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon
hello,.
some of you who have 'drifted' from the wts may not be aware than in recent months the wts has required co's to report the names and circumstances of those who have become 'inactive'.
the elders are required to visit each one and report to the co on his next visit as to where they are, who they are and why they have gone 'inactive'.. as ever there may be mixed motives with this arrangement, but it as well to be prepared.. best regards - hs
Thanks for the added information, Hillary.
Sam Beli
I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon
hello,.
some of you who have 'drifted' from the wts may not be aware than in recent months the wts has required co's to report the names and circumstances of those who have become 'inactive'.
the elders are required to visit each one and report to the co on his next visit as to where they are, who they are and why they have gone 'inactive'.. as ever there may be mixed motives with this arrangement, but it as well to be prepared.. best regards - hs
Hillary, is this another indication that the boys in Brooklyn read this and similar sites?
There has long been a lot of discussion here about fading away rather than following WT rules. Fading has allowed many to continue contact with those inside and to have a somewhat corrosive influence on some insiders.
Sounds to me like this, as usual, is not about “helping” but about ridding themselves of the evil influence of “apostates.” Another “tightening of the screws?”
hello,.
some of you who have 'drifted' from the wts may not be aware than in recent months the wts has required co's to report the names and circumstances of those who have become 'inactive'.
the elders are required to visit each one and report to the co on his next visit as to where they are, who they are and why they have gone 'inactive'.. as ever there may be mixed motives with this arrangement, but it as well to be prepared.. best regards - hs
Simple said: “If I need a blood transfusion, I would not be feeding on it regularly but only briefly, for medicinal purposes. I understand the NOT EATING it.....eg blood sausage, blood puddings, etc.”
Sally, a blood transfusion is NOT eating blood, NOT even briefly! It is not digested in the way that anything “eaten” is. Rather, it remains blood in your arteries and veins and does the work of blood. It is an organ transplant. It is a transplant of another’s organ (blood) into you so that it can perform the same function in you that it did in the donor.
In no way is it a “feeding.” Food is digested, broken down into useful parts and then absorbed through the intestinal wall into the blood stream. The blood stream carries it to its need location. Sugar, for example, may be carried to the muscles where it is burned as a fuel in order to accomplish work. The organ, blood, remains blood and continues its work as a transporter of sugar, proteins, oxygen, buffers, enzymes and a host of other chemical markers. It regulates fluid balances, pH, etc. Through all of these functions, blood remains blood. You can not say that about food.
Does that make sense, Sally?
i noticed on a previous thread about the various goings-on in the different congregations that richmond, in was listed.
nothing specific, just incompetant elders.
anyone here want to admit to having been in richmond?
No One else knows anything about Richmond, IN?
Volt, why do you ask? I also "had a good friend" there.
Sam Beli
I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon
i noticed on a previous thread about the various goings-on in the different congregations that richmond, in was listed.
nothing specific, just incompetant elders.
anyone here want to admit to having been in richmond?
Lots of brain-dead dubs in Richmond!
this is an area that needs to be watched.
the watch tower corporation at the agent level gives this type of medical advice.. .
trial starts on charge of illegal medicine .
The WTS in former times was probably more exposed than more recently. It used to make outrageous claims about special wheat, aluminum, vaccinations, etc. The lawyers running the corporation now are probably the ones keeping them out of court these days.
Nevertheless, somehow the average JW believes that blood is never needed by competent physicians, that blood is both bad and a dangerous medicine. Where did they get this idea? Find the source of that impression and you may have a case of “practicing medicine.”
In addition, the average JW has long held the notion that medicine in general is bad, and that physicians are scheming, money grubbing scoundrels. The WTS blood policy fits this theme; they have alluded in their literature to the money made by the “blood industry” as a large part of the reason doctors push transfusions on patients.
With this in mind I was disappointed to see Dung say the following in her post: “Quakery has been around for a long time, if indeed that's what this is. From what I can see, this woman lived just as long with alternative treatment as many women do with conventional treatment. So have many others. The people who really care the most about cases like this is mainstream medical practicioners, who don't want to lose a big chunk of income.”
She shows by this mind set that of the JW mentality still influences her thinking. “Lived just as long…” What an outrageous statement in the face of testimony from her physicians that she qualified for a mastectomy! Many women live far longer that this woman did when they have the recommended surgery. Granted, she may have refused surgery, but this case is to determine if the defendant helped persuade her to decline the doctors recommendation.
From personal experience I can say that Dung is correct with respect to a very small percent of the physician population. Just as in any population, there are a few undesirables among physicians, but her remarks seem to imply that a large portion, perhaps a majority of physicians push their agenda irrespective of patient needs or preferences in order to make money.
Most physicians I know and have worked with are very interested in the science of their profession and what holds up to scientific scrutiny. At the same time many will fight for patient’s rights. For example, they will treat JWs even though that patient population refuses what they sometimes feel is in their best interests. Few physicians, in my experience refuse to care for JWs, even when those same JW patients leave their office and “bad-mouth” them to others in the community.
Perhaps Dung works with scum-bags in her professional career. If so, I am sorry. It has been my privilege to know and work with many fine physicians and it is my impression that these are in the majority, though traditional WTS propaganda would have us believe otherwise.
i had a conversation today with a person from new york who has had close contacts with inside contacts at bethel.
a comment was volunteered to him that i found amazing if it provees to be true.
the comment was about how many accused child molesters are on file at wt legal.
O’Reilly on Fox news this evening criticized the Pope for not speaking out about this issue in the Catholic Church. O’Reilly went on to say that there are 60 million Catholics in the USA, so potentially it would seem there are 60 times as many pedophiles in that church than in the JWs.
Does this large difference in church size partially explain the much greater publicity given to the Catholic problem?
A guest on O’Reilly’s show representing the Catholic church said that the Pope has spoken out, that he feels much pain over the issue. Of course, even if he did speak out sometime ago, he is not taking aggressive action. Nevertheless, he has done more than the GB has done, namely nothing.
i was just reading the sept 15, 1960 watchtower,an article entitled.
"the sanctity of blood".
the article was mainly about eating blood and listed numerous very nasty practises such as leaving blood in meat to make it heavier, (hence less "meat" for your money)and not draining blood out of carcasses quickly enough.. this prompted a thought.. gods law on blood being so important to witnesses, and the practises of butchers indifferent to gods law being what they are..... why does the organization allow its members to eat meat purchased from the "world"?.
When I recently told a new physician that all of my relatives were JWs and that if I was unconscious one day and in need of a transfusion they very well might refuse permission, she among other things asked “are they vegetarians?”
Rather perceptive don’t you think?
Sam Beli
I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon
